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Kindle vs. iBooks redux, or Amazon is making me mad

Posted on December 28, 2011 Written by Diane

I’ve been a customer of Amazon since 1995 or 1996. (I can’t get into my Quicken database right now–thank you, Intuit, for your complete abandonment of the Macintosh platform, just as it’s, y’know, exploding–but I can find out if I really need to. Do I really need to?) I had all of the initial “Thank you for being our customer!” travel mugs–remember those? I have an Amazon credit card that gives me points back on purchases. I used to tell my sister that if I could, I would buy my groceries from them. (This was before you could, in fact, buy many of your groceries from them.)

I’ve run into a few things lately that make me say, Are you kidding? Are you trying to get rid of me as a customer?

I’ve been wondering if it might be worth switching over to an airline points card, to be honest.

I have a physical Kindle–the Kindle 3, in case that makes a difference. And I have an iPad. I have read books on both. I still think the reading experience is pretty much a wash, frankly. (And now that iBooks has a night-time reading mode of white text on a black background, I’d say reading on the iPad is slightly better than the Kindle.) However, with an extra year-plus of use of both devices under my belt, I have many, many more things to say about the pros and cons of the Kindle device, the Kindle app/ecosystem, and iBooks.

Problem #1: Figure Out Collections, People

I’m guessing the problem here is that the engineers who are designing these things don’t actually read books or something. I don’t know. I have a Kindle collection of (drum roll, please) 711 items. I am always checking the Kindle bestsellers page to see what’s hot…particularly on the Free Bestseller lists. You can learn a lot about how to go about marketing a self-published book from this page, writers. Anyhow, visits to the have inspired me to download a crapload of books.

Yes, my Unread folder is insane. It’s like a To Be Read pile, only it’s not taking up physical space in my house any more.

I have attempted to take control of my books by dividing them into what Amazon calls Collections. I file each book as I get it into two folders: the Unread folder (because, duh, haven’t read it yet) and a genre folder that I created (Romance, SF, Mystery, whatever). Strangely, despite having downloaded 100% of my books from Amazon, none of the books have genre tags attached to them, so I have to investigate what the book and figure out where it goes. After I read a book, I delete it from the Unread folder.

Kindle screenshot

I’ve done this with seven hundred and eleven books. (Maybe less about 15, because I haven’t sorted those yet.) Once, back around when I had a mere 300 books, my Kindle sneezed and lost all of my Collections. I didn’t lose the books, just the way they were organized. There was some way that I could get all of my Collections back without much effort on my part, but how to do that was not at all obvious (and using an application like Calibre is an exercise in the lovable world of Open Source No Thank You), so I ended up refiling every single one again. If I lose my Collections again, I will not refile them, certainly not with 711 books, and Amazon provides no easy way of keeping these books sorted.

Even worse, however, is that the Collections do not propagate to other devices. Collections are specific to my Kindle device, not my Kindle account the road and would like to pick up with the book I’ve been reading, I have to remember the name of the book. Or the author’s name. Or something. If I’ve been reading a Regency romance novel, often all I can remember is “guy with a title blah blah feisty debutante blah Almack’s.”

Unless the book I’ve been reading has made a gigantic impression on me, I don’t remember enough about it to download it to the Kindle app on my iPhone. (Which is actually a really fabulous lesson on “How to make your novel stand out” and “What is memorable about a book.” But that’s another entry.)

On iBooks, however, having all of your books available to you is an extremely simple process:

  1. Click on the “Books” button.
  2. Add new collection name. IBooks Collections
  3. On main page, click on the “Edit” button.
  4. Select as many books as you want. (This is so damned better than Amazon’s extremely clumsy one-book-at-a-time-I’m-going-to-kill-myself-with-boredom method.) Selecting multiple iBooks
  5. Click on the “Move” button.
  6. Choose new collection to move them to.

The problem with Collections becomes really obvious on Kindle if you have more than ten books. For one thing, it takes forever to sort them into their folders. (Like I said, if I ever lose the Collections on those 711 books again…yeah, that’s it, I’m done.) The only useful thing is that the last book opened is the book at the top of the list, so it’s pretty easy to find what you’ve been reading.

On iBooks you can sort by cover art or in a list (where you can sort by Titles, Authors, or Categories, which are the genre assigned to the book, either by the iBooks store or by you, the user, in the Info field).

A list of iBooks

If you sort by cover art, of course, the last book opened is the first one on the bookshelves, so you always know what the last book you had open was.

IBooks Shelves

Advantage: iBooks. No question. Hands down.

Problem #2: Loaning Books

This is the one frustrated the hell out of me this week.

The first books I bought for my Kindle device were the Hunger Games trilogy. Sophia is old enough to read them and wanted to, which I was fine with. Not so fine: her seeing the other books in my Kindle collection. Instead, I loaned her the book so she could read it on her iOS device.

Today she asked me to reloan her Mockingjay.

According to my Kindle, it was still on loan.

Kindle On Loan

According to the “Manage Your Kindle” page on Amazon, I didn’t own it at all. (Of course, I’ve never found any of the Hunger Games books through this page, so no big deal.)

Manage Your Kindle

On an Amazon page for a book I’ve already bought, I usually get this message:

Loan This Book

Mockingjay did not give me that line about “Loan This Book.”

I couldn’t access Mockingjay on my Kindle, and I couldn’t loan it to my daughter. Effectively, I no longer owned the book.

I had to send a message to Amazon–and WOW is their Help page of no help whatsoever! I got a maze of twisty little popup menus, none of which applied to my situation–and their service rep reset the Loaned bit assigned to Mockingjay by hand. Their email responding to my inquiry was of no help whatsoever (“1. Please check and make sure the device is fully charged.”) and I gave their “Rate This Response” a low rating.

If the only way to access my own damn book is through your Customer Service rep? This rates: NOT GOOD.

Contrast this with loaning a book via iBooks. Now, admittedly, iBooks does not allow you to loan a book to any old friend in the universe, and that is a major fail on their part. However, if you and your loved ones have Home Sharing enabled, you copy the book from their account into your account and sync with your device.

You are now done with the process. And everybody can read the book at the same time. The book’s not held hostage to one pair of eyes.

Advantage: iBooks. Is there a question about this?

Problem #3: Finding New Books

There’s no question about this: Amazon’s store is so much better than just about any other shopping experience out there. And the “Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought” feature is useful.

Browsing the iBooks store in iTunes is just…annoying.

Advantage: Kindle. This design fail is so spectacular on Apple’s part that I wonder what in the hell is going on over there and, no, I don’t have someone I can ask.

Neither online bookstore is as good as wandering around a good bookstore though, but I expect in the next year or two the real-world experience will disappear altogether. Despite not buying very many books on paper these days, I am actually upset about this.

Problem #4: Keeping Your Place In A Book

If I do manage to load a book onto my Kindle device and into my Kindle app on my iPad, the Kindle’s Whispersync method of making sure that you’re always on the same page works great.

Until I finish the damn book. Because if I decide to read it again, the Kindle system always thinks I’m on the last page if I open it on the other device. Thereby losing my place.

It’s extremely irritating.

My friend Nina and her husband share one Kindle account (so they don’t have to go through the annoyances of loaning a book, see above). Theoretically, they should be able to read the same book at the same time, but if someone finished it first, they both finish it. At this point, they have to use bookmarks to individually mark their places, and woe to them who forgets to adjust the placement of their bookmark.

Advantage: iBooks. If I start a book over, it puts me on that page no matter what device I’m using. And sharing books is much, much easier.

Problem #5: Turning the page

The biggest problem I’ve had reading on my iPad in bed is that my right hand gets tired having to be the one tapping the screen to turn the page forward. I can’t switch off between hands. The Kindle device has buttons on both sides that allow you to advance or go back.

Advantage: The Kindle, but only the Kindles with physical buttons. I’m pretty sure I’d have the same problem with the Kindle Touch. The Kindle wins for being lighter (except if, as in my case, it has a heavy leather case on it) and for having go-forward/go-back buttons on both sides.

Problem #6: Losing Your Device

Losing my Kindle would be a total bummer. However, it’s $100, which as electronic gadgets go is not a terrible loss, and if I wanted to replace it with one of these new Kindles and didn’t mind getting ads thrown at me, I could replace it for $80.

Losing my iPad would be a severe bummer, to the point where the iPad stays at home except when taken with in a special bag and watched carefully.

Advantage: Kindle. Because it’s a cheap piece of replaceable plastic crap.

I keep hearing that iBooks has got to step up its game, and I don’t see it that way at all. Slowly but surely, I’m moving my book collection to iBooks. I wish their selection were better, but it is improving all the time.

 

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The Kindle device vs. the iPad

Posted on September 27, 2010 Written by Diane

Yes! I’m trolling for hits! It’s guaranteed linking!

Now that I’ve had my Kindle 3 for a month, I’ve had friends ask me which do I prefer: reading on the iPad or on the Kindle? And it’s really no contest: I much much much prefer reading on the iPad.

Yes, LCD display and all.

I am quite impressed with how the screen on the Kindle looks. E-ink is really good technology and it does look like a printed page. But I read all day on a computer screen anyhow, so reading a little bit more on one at night is not a big hassle. It doesn’t make my eyes any more tired than they already are. (Now, if I’m going to give up screens altogether, that would be one thing. But we’re not talking about doing that.)

The Kindle is also much lighter than the iPad (8.5 ounces vs. 1.5 or 1.6 pounds, depending on model). However, I tend to lie in bed with the iPad propped on my rib cage, so the weight really doesn’t bother me.

What the Kindle is better for (as far as I’m concerned):

  • Taking outside the house. Losing the Kindle would definitely suck, no question. But $139 vs. the cost of an iPad (which has WAY more data on it than the Kindle does)…yeah, no contest there. To be honest, though, the real cost of the Kindle is closer to $189, because I had to buy a cover with built-in light for it—that screen ain’t durable, and the Kindle screen is useless in anything less than bright light.
  • Small. It fits in my bag of holding purse. That’s convenient.

What the iPad is better for:

  • Everything else.

The UI on the Kindle sucks. Let me not hold back: it’s terrible. I understand that it’s gotten much better since the original Kindle, so my hat is off to you, Original Kindle owner, for plowing through. The page forward/page back buttons are annoying, but I’ve gotten used to them. Accidentally scrolling ahead 15 pages when I meant to scroll back? Yeah, that sucked the first time, and the second time made me scream (quietly). Scrolling through the list of books I have in there to find the book I want to read when I can’t remember the title or author? That’s nearly unforgivable.

But the teeny-tiny keys for entering text are annoying enough to get me to not use them. True story: Every time I’ve decided to buy a book for my Kindle, I

  1. put the Kindle down,
  2. pick the iPad up,
  3. go to Amazon,
  4. buy the book,
  5. put the iPad down,
  6. pick the Kindle back up.

Yeah. That’s going to convince me to use my Kindle for anything other than a convenience on the road.

Here’s what raised my blood pressure: organizing my book collection.

I buy all of my Kindle books from Amazon. I’m willing to bet folding money Amazon knows what genre these books are in. Maybe several genres, but I bet each book could be marked with just one genre when it gets downloaded.

Does Amazon do this? They do not.

But what does Amazon have? They have something called “Collections”, which are groupings of books I name and arrange (using those teeny-tiny keys on the teeny-tiny keyboard…yeesh). So, I spend a lot of time organizing my 200+ (that’s out of control) ebooks into these Collections on my Kindle device. And the Collections do not propagate to the other locations where I might read my Kindle books (ie, my iPhone and iPad).

In fact, there is no organizing AT ALL in the Kindle app. Nice. So if I carry my entire ebook collection around with me…it becomes a disaster to try to find anything.

(As for non-Amazon books…Apparently there is some way to upload non-Amazon books to the Kindle, but a)it’s not obvious and b)involves mailing something to the email address associated with my Kindle and c)costs me 10 cents per, or something. If I’m going to spend that much effort getting a book on to a reading device, I’ve got a better way. Yes, it’s drag-and-drop to iTunes for syncing with my iPad and iPhone for one-stop shopping.)

(And so you ask: Why do I buy the vast majority of my books from Amazon? Two reasons: a)they still have a bigger selection, although I’ve started searching the iBooks store first, and b)I have an Amazon points Visa card, meaning most of the books I’m buying at Amazon are therefore…free.)

Seriously, UI counts. Yes, it is Amazon’s problem if this annoys me, because iBooks doesn’t do that. My books get loaded into whatever device under whatever category I put them, so every single place I load that book, I can look for it by title, author, AND category. (Yes, I realize this is not technically a win for the iPad, just for iBooks, but this is a major way in which Kindle, whether on the Kindle or on my Kindle app for iPhone, just fails.)

Here’s another example: the way you move around the page on the Kindle is via a 4-sided rocker with a button in the center. It works pretty well if you have a nail long enough to center on one of the sides; not so well if you have a large clumsy finger that either hits the wrong side or the button in the center. You use the rocker to move down the list of options on the page. And you do have to move DOWN the entire page; you can’t go “around the horn” and go UP to go to the last entry on the page.

There might be reasons for that, but wow, would a simple UI change make it easier to navigate on a page with a long list of entries.

Here’s why the iPad is better:

  • My eyes don’t feel any more strained reading on that than on the Kindle. So stop telling me that they do, okay?
  • My hands don’t feel any more strained. Honest, I keep hearing about how heavy the iPad is, and I haven’t found it to be problem. I prop the iPad on my tummy. I turn pages. Then I’m done.
  • I don’t have to have a light on in the bedroom when I’m reading. This is nice for when Darin is asleep and I’m not.
  • Finding books on Amazon is easier via iPad than via the Kindle.
  • Paging forward and backward is easier (touchscreen kicks ass over teeny, terrible form-factor keyboard). My hands get tired whether using the touchscreen or the little buttons over the length of time I spend reading, so I haven’t noticed a winner there.
  • Moving within a book is easier.

I’ll get into the Kindle app vs the iBooks app another time. (Okay, okay, here’s one: you get a bigger chunk of the book when you get a sample from iBooks than you do from Amazon.) The divide between these two devices is rather stunning, however. I know devising a whole new device that allows you to read your books with e-ink must be tough but…suck it up and redo the software, boys. You haven’t nailed it yet.

Update: Just saw the Borders ebooks app for iPhone. Apparently they have something called “What I’m Reading” that propagates all the books you’re currently reading from device to device. Learn from this, Amazon.

Update 10/4/10: Adding Collections to my Kindle device has had an unexpected effect. I now only use the Kindle device, because otherwise I can’t find the book I’ve been reading. (Honestly, when all I can remember is “It’s a Regency involving a titled bloke written by a woman with a flowery sounding name” and 85 possible titles, I’m not going to download each one from the Archive to see if that’s it. My memory’s terrible these days, okay?)

This pretty much means I no longer read my Kindle books when I’m on the go and don’t have my Kindle device with me. FWIW.

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Reading books on your iPad

Posted on April 5, 2010 Written by Diane

Yeah, I should just title this “Another goddamn iPad article you can’t seem to get away from.”

Here’s what you need to know about reading books on your iPad:

  • I think iBooks is a really nice application. I like the layout, I like the page-turning, I like the fact that I don’t need to have the light on in bed to use it. Take that, Kindle. (A friend of mine was in and out of the hospital all last year and said that she couldn’t have used a Kindle, because she always had a roommate and couldn’t turn on the light.) And I already stare at a screen all day; hasn’t hurt my eyes any. You should probably know that, even post-Lasik, I have very bad eyesight. I don’t think it’s the screen, though.

  • Buying books from iTunes store: you don’t need to put in your password for any of the free books (at least, I haven’t yet). You do for the books with a price. This actually is an advantage for iBooks, because it stops me and makes me think. The 1-click on Kindle is completely deadly to my bank account.

  • You CAN read your own .epub format books on iBooks. I’ve read a number of places that you must buy your books from the iBooks store and this is just not true. Here’s what you do:

    1. Drag the .epub files to iTunes.
    2. Sync your iPad

    You’re now done. Have a nice soy latte and read your dang book.

  • Scrivener (the thinking writer’s writing application of choice) will soon support saving in .epub format. So you can export your novel as .epub, upload to your iPad, and read (and, hopefully, annotate) soon.

    (I should make this clear, because the developer’s made this very clear: Scrivener itself will not be on iPad! But easy export of .epub files (ie, your novel in progress) for leisurely reading on an iPad = much win.)

  • I read many, many confusing webpages on how to make an .epub file, which involved voodoo and changing file extensions and other horrible tasks that frankly I use the modern computer to get away from. Eventually I found Sigil, which is an editor that creates .epub format books. I’ve found that it sucks as anything other than an .epub creator—it’s not the most robust editor I’ve ever run across. But it does create .epub books with only a little effort on my part, so currently I’m using this to create books from text files. If anyone has a better suggestion, let me know.

  • The Kindle app is MUCH improved. Before they updated it for use on iPad, all that was available was the iPhone app. So you could read your book on a tiny little section of this giant screen, or you could blow up the app using the 2x button, and the books looked like crap because the text wasn’t scaled, it was blown-up bitmaps. Now it’s designed to use the entire iPad screen with the proper fonts and it looks good. I like the two layouts of the library of books (in a list or as separate graphic images).

  • Not anything to do with the iPad, but while we’re on the subject… Here is my take on the Kindle for Mac app: 1988 called, they’d like their GUI back. Seriously, Amazon, did you pass this off to some exec’s 13-year-old kid as their home computing project? Stop it and hire a read Cocoa developer.

  • As of today, Stanza and Ereader have not been updated for iPad. This makes them useless. I found them pretty useless before (getting books from Fictionwise and Ereader has been an exercise in frustration for me more than once, and when compared to Amazon’s 1-click… no comparison) and they’re not helping themselves out.

  • Screenwriter John August has a whole post on “Reading scripts on the iPad.” He points you to the best .pdf app (as of today, obviously; this situation could change at any moment). As soon as these apps allow for annotation (and export of said notes), the iPad could be very useful for writers.

I haven’t tried writing much on the iPad yet, and we don’t have the keyboard dock or anything. I guess I could use one of Darin’s wireless keyboards, but at the moment I’m spending way too much time playing Flight Control HD. I mean, using one of the book-reading apps.

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